ORDOJ Deposition p.1: "my testimony was under duress"
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Logan M Isaac: [00:00:00] Oh, spotlight wasn't that me? Oh[00:01:00]
videographer: Whoever removed the spotlight on, on Logan, please, please don't remove the spotlight anymore[00:02:00]
Logan, just out of curiosity, are you using a device to record, um, deposition?
Logan M Isaac: I'm sorry?
videographer: Sorry. I was just curious if you were using a device to record the deposition.
Logan M Isaac: Yes.
videographer: So I just wanted to
When you're ready to proceed
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: I'm ready
videographer: Ms. [00:03:00] Douglas?
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Ready.
videographer: Thank you. Please stand by, everybody
Going back on the record, the time is 10:15
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, Brother Isaac, before we get to lawsuits, I was looking over my notes and I have some questions. Um, y- you are affiliated with the Hospitallers of St. Martin. Do you know how many members are in your community?
Logan M Isaac: About 10
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: You described it as a monastic community. Do you know where those 10 members re- reside?
Logan M Isaac: Not specifically
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Um, and you, you [00:04:00] described your academic history. You said you were a college professor at, uh, uh, uh, in Philadelphia and at Duke. Uh, uh, I believe you said you were also at, uh, Battelle. Is that correct?
Logan M Isaac: Battelle is a nonprofit that cleaned PPE during the pandemic. That's
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: not a college. Oh, okay. Maybe that's why I needed to follow up.
So, um, what years were you a college professor at Duke?
Logan M Isaac: That was '16 and '17.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: 2016-
Logan M Isaac: Mm-hmm ...
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: and through 2017. What kind of position did you hold?
Logan M Isaac: Uh, the highest position was special instructor in the political science department
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Was it an adjunct position?
Logan M Isaac: Uh, I don't think they'd frame it that way.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: How did you frame it?
Logan M Isaac: Special assistant.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. Was there any tenure- Special instructor frame. Excuse me, what did you say?
Logan M Isaac: Special instructor.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. Uh, [00:05:00] was there any tenure requirement?
Logan M Isaac: No, it was not a tenured position.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Was it a contract position?
Logan M Isaac: Uh I don't know how to answer that
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did you sign a contract while you were at Duke?
Logan M Isaac: I don't know. I don't know. That's a good question
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, did you have a letter of understanding from anybody at Duke's employment office?
Logan M Isaac: I had an endorsement letter from the univer- the Office of Institutional Equity
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did it, did that endorsement letter provide any timeframe on it?
Logan M Isaac: Nope
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What was your understanding of the duration of the special instructor [00:06:00] position?
Logan M Isaac: Formally, it was for a semester, spring semester of 2017
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Formally, did you, uh, participate as a special instructor any longer than that one semester?
Logan M Isaac: Before that I was a teaching assistant graduate teaching assistant
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: For how long were you a graduate teaching assistant?
Logan M Isaac: At Duke? Uh, both academic terms in 2016
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, was that when you were getting your, um, uh, the master's degree you described?
Logan M Isaac: Nope. That was after I had two master's degrees
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Were you getting any kind of degree while you were getting, while you were, um, participating as a teaching assistant at Duke?
Logan M Isaac: I was considering a PhD program, but no, I, I was not getting... Wait, what was the [00:07:00] question?
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Can we have the question read back, please?
court reporter: One moment, please
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Were you getting any kind of degree while you were getting, while you were, um, participating as a teaching assistant at Duke?
Logan M Isaac: I was seeking further study, but no, I was not actively engaged in a degree program.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What does seeking, uh, a degree mean?
Logan M Isaac: Looking to-
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Were you, were you enrolled in any classes?
Logan M Isaac: No, seeking means I was looking to apply to and ideally be admitted to a doctor- a terminal program.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: So, uh, had you formally applied-
Logan M Isaac: I
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: had ... at Duke? At, okay. So at this time, you had formally applied [00:08:00] for a PhD position at Duke. Is that correct?
Logan M Isaac: Yes. Yeah.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Were you, um, ever admitted into a PhD program at Duke?
Logan M Isaac: No, I was not.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. Were you formally denied admission at Duke?
Logan M Isaac: I don't know how to answer that, and I can tell you why. Uh, my application seemed to have been treated differently, and when I asked about it, they did not have a satisfactory answer, and I could not verify that my application had been treated the same as every other application.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did you receive a formal letter at any time denying you admission?
Logan M Isaac: I received a formal letter after I asked for a formal letter because none was automatically sent to me.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And did it give a reason why you were not admitted into the PhD program? [00:09:00]
Logan M Isaac: I don't recall. Yeah.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did it say that you were not admitted into the PhD program?
Logan M Isaac: I think so
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: A- at, at the college in Philadelphia, what was the name of that college?
Logan M Isaac: There's no college in Philadelphia. You may be thinking about Methodist University.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: I was, and this is the trouble with my notes. Yeah, so the Methodist University, where was that?
Logan M Isaac: Fayetteville, North Carolina.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What years were you there?
Logan M Isaac: '13 through '15
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What position?
Logan M Isaac: Uh, did they just call me professor? Adjunct professor
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Was that a contract position?
Logan M Isaac: Yes.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: For how long?
Logan M Isaac: It was based on each semester[00:10:00]
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Was it a limited duration appointment with a specific duration?
Logan M Isaac: Yes, one semester
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did you apply for a second semester?
Logan M Isaac: I did not apply. I taught there for five semesters.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: So each semester was your position, uh, renewed?
Logan M Isaac: Uh, not sequentially
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And what does that mean?
Logan M Isaac: Sequentially? You can look it up in a
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: dictionary. No, no. That, for you, as it applied to you. When you say you taught there for five years but not sequentially, when did you teach at Methodist University?
Logan M Isaac: Five semesters total, or fi- yeah, five semesters total over the course of
Three years[00:11:00]
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What were those semesters?
Logan M Isaac: Fall of '13, spring of '14, fall of '15. Yeah
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: So why didn't you s- um, uh, teach in fall of '14?
Logan M Isaac: I was at St. Andrew's in Scotland. They hadn't launched their remote learning program yet
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And after your last semester at the Methodist University in the fall of 2015, what did you do?
Logan M Isaac: Graduate teaching assistant.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Where?
Logan M Isaac: Duke University[00:12:00]
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Um, you have t- you talked about a cha- your chapter house
I'm following up on the testimony that you have given previously. When you talk about a chapter house, is that for the, um, the Hospitallers of St. Martin?
Logan M Isaac: I think you're confusing a Catholic lexicon with a plain English lexicon. I'm aware that a chapter house is where canons at a cathedral reside. You're talking about a small business, The Chapter House, which is in Albany, Oregon.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Well, I'm asking about the place that you identified where you were, The Chapter House. Are you saying that it is not affiliated with, uh, the Hospitallers of St. Martin?
Logan M Isaac: Not formally, no.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. Well, informally, how is it affiliated [00:13:00] with the Hospitallers of St. Martin?
Logan M Isaac: I am a member of the Hospitallers, and this is my small business.
That's how it's affiliated.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: So when you talk about your chapter house-
Logan M Isaac: It's
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: not my- ... what is the bus- what is the business that you pursue at your chapter house in Albany?
Logan M Isaac: General retail
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, when you have general retail, is this a form of income for you?
Logan M Isaac: Not yet. You're having me close my business. How am I supposed to make money?
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: So when I asked about jobs, you didn't list, uh, your job of retail. You said a paid position. Is that because you're not making any money?
Logan M Isaac: My memory is you asked about a paid position. Yes. A small business is not a paid position[00:14:00]
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Have you had any other jobs as a small businessperson?
Logan M Isaac: I wouldn't call a small business a job in the sense that you receive a wage from it. If you're lucky enough to break even and you're salaried, good for you. Again, I don't think you and I have the same definitions for some of these things.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: So how many small businesses have you had since you had your last paid position?
Logan M Isaac: Well, since I had my last paid position, which would've been... Yeah, it was The Yeah, I think that's, uh, uh, um, I, I've only had one. The Chapter House is a doing business as. It's currently-- I have an LLC that has been incorporated in Oregon and all that, and that is currently the umbrella under which The Chapter House operates.[00:15:00]
We're moving to a 501[c][3], uh, and that is, that is legally incorporated as The Chapter House. I am trying to give the assets of this small business possessed my, by my LLC to the nonprofit so the nonprofit can do all the brick-and-mortar stuff. So in answer to your question, I've had two businesses, although the nonprofit is not mine.
That's the nature of nonprofits. The LLC is mine. Its formal name is Liberum LLC
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, so the Liberla- uh, Liberable LLC is still a limited liability company. You say you're in the process of moving it to a nonprofit. Um, how far along are you in that process? I need you to be more specific Have you applied to be a 5013C? It already exists, [00:16:00] yes. Okay. Um, when do you anticipate, uh, Libriom, Libriom LLC will become a nonprofit, um, uh, 501C?
Logan M Isaac: You've misunderstood me. There are two entities. The 501C3 does not belong to me. It is not in the nature of nonprofits to be owned. The LLC, which operates and receives and operates the chapter house, uh, the chapter house, the assets are going to be shared, either sold or donated to the 501C3, which does not belong to me
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, I understand you.
What I'm asking is a timeline. You say you're going to transfer the assets, sell or however it works, to the, uh, to the nonprofit. When is that going to happen? [00:17:00]
Logan M Isaac: Uh, I don't know
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: what will need to be accomplished before you decide to transfer the assets
Logan M Isaac: Our board needs to have be stood up a little bit more
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Excuse me? What did you say?
Logan M Isaac: The nonprofit board needs to be stood up just a little bit more. We have a small number of board members, uh, and when... Yeah, I don't know
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Does the LLC have, uh, a board of directors?
Logan M Isaac: That's not the nature of an LLC to have a board of directors.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What is the governing structure of your LLC?
Logan M Isaac: Sole proprietorship LLC.[00:18:00]
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Do you have a board for your, uh, nonprofit already in place?
Logan M Isaac: Objection. Form. I've already stated I don't own the nonprofit. It's not mine.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: The LLC or the, the, uh, nonprofit that you are going to transfer your assets from the LLC into is in the process of being formed. Is that correct?
Logan M Isaac: No.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And you say it's not being formed because it's not in the process.
It's already completed?
Logan M Isaac: Uh, could the reporter find where I've already answered this question? It just starts to feel repetitive.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. Well, let me... Uh, you can ask the reporter-- You asked the reporter for, um, uh, her to repeat something. What would you like her to repeat?
Logan M Isaac: The answer to the question you've asked me a second time at least.[00:19:00]
court reporter: I can play the exchange where it starts regarding this, but I'm not sure if I can isolate exactly what you're thinking of.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Go ahead. That's fine.
court reporter: One moment, please
Logan M Isaac: Well, since I had my last paid position, which would've been yeah, it would've been The [00:20:00] Yeah, I think that's, uh, uh, but, um, I, I've only had one. The Chapter House is a doing business as. It's currently... I have an LLC that has been incorporated in Oregon and all that, and that is currently the umbrella under which The Chapter House operates.
We're moving to a 501[c][3], uh, and that is, that is legally incorporated as The Chapter House. I am trying to give the assets of this small business possessed my, by my LLC to the nonprofit so the nonprofit can do all the brick-and-mortar stuff. So in answer to your question, I've had two businesses, although the nonprofit is not mine.
That's the nature of nonprofits. The LLC is mine. Its formal name is Liberum LLC
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And you're, uh, so the Embar- Lib- uh, Libera [00:21:00] LLC is still a limited liability company. You say you're in the process of moving it to a nonprofit. Um, how far along are you in that process? You've misunderstood me
Logan M Isaac: again. The LLC has not changed. I need you to be more specific.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, have you applied to be a 5013C?
Logan M Isaac: It already exists, yes.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. Um- Oh
court reporter: Excuse me, I, I heard speaking while I was doing the playback. Let me know if I should continue the playback.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: No, that's fine
When you say that your, uh, board of directors for the nonprofit needs to be stood up, what do you mean by that?
Logan M Isaac: Objection form relevan- relevancy
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Um, so relevancy is not an appropriate objection. You answer the question State
Logan M Isaac: the relevancy of the question or I'm going to instruct myself not to answer.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. If you instruct yourself not to answer and don't answer, [00:22:00] you will be subject to an adverse instruction that any answer that would have been given would be adverse to your interests. You understand that?
Logan M Isaac: I understand you've said that already without citation, so I cannot verify that without leaving my computer screen to go look it up at the loss- law library across the street.
So I do not accept your statements as true just because you state them, certainly not as an employee of the State of Oregon, which has seem- sure seems to have been conspiring to deprive me of constitutional rights. So I'll say again, I object and I am instructing myself not to answer.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay, that's fine. I just want you to know that, uh, uh, any time you refuse to answer a question, you are subject to getting an adverse instruction, um, to a jury.
Uh- There's
Logan M Isaac: no jury here.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Do you understand that your deposition could be played before a jury? Yes. Do you understand that your deposition can be played at or, uh, shown to a judge [00:23:00] who will, um, infer all proper and legal inferences from that deposition?
Logan M Isaac: I would object to the idea that all things are proper simply because they pro- proceed from a judge.
I believe people are fallible. I don't know if you do, but I do
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, now I wanna talk about the lawsuits you have been involved with. You said that you were involved with, uh, a public records request or, uh, or lawsuit with, uh, Department of Justice. Is that correct?
Logan M Isaac: Yep.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What was that about?
Logan M Isaac: You can look it up on the public record.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Sir, uh, um, Brother Isaac, answer the question that I asked, please.
Logan M Isaac: What was your question?
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What was the public records request to the Department of Justice about?
Logan M Isaac: I've initiated a FOIA lawsuit to force them to [00:24:00] disclose what they've done to enforce or not enforce federal protections for people like me
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: How far along in, are you in that lawsuit?
Logan M Isaac: Pending.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Have you had any receipt of information to your FOIA request?
Logan M Isaac: Yes.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What was that response?
Logan M Isaac: Uh, the National Security Division claims they enforced the law exactly one time in the last 15 years, in 2021, which was after I already started raising alarm bells, and it...
That, yeah, that was their one answer.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: You said it was pending. Are you expecting a further response?
Logan M Isaac: I have a motion before the judge.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What is that motion?
Logan M Isaac: I don't remember it verbatim.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What is the subject of that motion? [00:25:00]
Logan M Isaac: A response to a motion for summary dismiss- or a motion for dismissal
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: So that I understand that lawsuit the FOIA request is subject to a motion to dismiss and you have filed a response. Is that correct?
Logan M Isaac: That's
correct.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, uh, you also talked about a lawsuit, uh, regarding public records request from, uh, OSU, I believe. Is that correct?
Logan M Isaac: Yes.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What is that lawsuit about?
Logan M Isaac: A public records request for the Oregon State University.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Have you received a request? Have you received a response?
Logan M Isaac: Yes.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What was the response?
Logan M Isaac: Partial production of evidence, uh, public record.[00:26:00]
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Is the lawsuit completed?
Logan M Isaac: I think so
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, y- you have been involved with Pacific Corp, correct?
Logan M Isaac: Public utility? Yes.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And what was the nature of that lawsuit?
Logan M Isaac: Uh, a public utility was, uh, tried to force me to pay for something without an enforceable contract.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What's the status of the lawsuit?
Logan M Isaac: Uh, it was dismissed, and I filed a complaint against Ryan Lucke for, uh, with the judicial fitness, uh, thingy
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, just to, to complete so I understand, the lawsuit has been dismissed, correct?
Logan M Isaac: At small claims level, yes.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. It was dismissed. And then you filed a s- separate proceeding, a complaint. Is that [00:27:00] correct?
Logan M Isaac: I don't think so.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. Then I misunderstood you. So the response, the litigation with Pacific Corp is concluded. Is that correct?
Logan M Isaac: Yes
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And it concluded by having it be dismissed, correct?
Logan M Isaac: Under objection, yes
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: So you have several lawsuits, um, a- against the state of Oregon. Uh, one is this lawsuit that we were involved in here. Um, do you have a separate small claims lawsuit against the state of Oregon?
Logan M Isaac: Not that I know of.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Do you have a, any litigation in, in small claims court? I don't think so
So this legis- this lawsuit was filed in federal court regarding, um, uh, the exclusion from [00:28:00] Representative Boshart Davis and then from the legislature's, uh, grounds. Is that your understanding?
Logan M Isaac: Uh, Section 1983, the anti- the KKK Enforcement Acts, that is what this li- litigation is about. Okay. Vigilantism.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did you, uh, participate, uh, in an Oregon Department of Veteran Affairs hearing in December of 2024?
Logan M Isaac: S- Could you say that again?
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did you participate in a hearing before the Oregon Department of Veteran Affairs in December of 2024?
Logan M Isaac: Are you sure that you have that question right?
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: That's my question. You can tell me if it's wrong. That's my question.
Logan M Isaac: I don't wanna do your job for you.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Um, sir, the question is on the record.
Can you provide me with an answer?
Logan M Isaac: The answer is no to your question.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did [00:29:00] you attend an Oregon Department of Veteran Affairs hearing in December of 2024?
Logan M Isaac: But is that not the same question you just asked me?
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, no
Did you attend a hearing in the Oregon Department of Veteran Affairs in December of 2024?
Logan M Isaac: The answer to that question is no.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, you did go to, um
Representative Boshart Davis's office in, um, February, in January of twenty twenty five, correct?
Logan M Isaac: Yes.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What was the purpose of your meeting?
Logan M Isaac: Protected activity.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, what did you intend to do when you went to the office?
Logan M Isaac: Advocacy for my protected class
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. And your, what was, what do you define as your protected class?
Logan M Isaac: Uh, [00:30:00] Congress defined it, military families.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. So when you went to, um, Representative, um, Bachrach-Davis' office, what was your intent, uh, to support your advocacy? Objection form vague What did you wanna do on the day that you went to her office? Ask her to help me- For example, did you want to give her a bill to look at?
Did you want to talk about a bill? Tell me what you wanted to do on that day
Logan M Isaac: I was asking her if she supported veterans, and
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: I was offering her a solution
Logan M Isaac: Did you have an appoi-
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Excuse me?
Logan M Isaac: I was inviting her to support military families via-
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Y- Okay. Did you engage in a conversation with her?
Logan M Isaac: No.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did you have an appointment with her?[00:31:00]
Logan M Isaac: No.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Tell me what happened on, uh, January 27th, 2025 when you went to, uh, Shelley Washart Davis's office
Logan M Isaac: Could you say that again?
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Tell me what happened when you went to, uh, Representative Boshart Davis's office on, uh, January 27th, 2025.
Logan M Isaac: I was on my way to the Oregonian offices in Portland. I stopped in Salem on the way to invite my representative to support military families. In the midst of that, her chief of staff had some kind of weird blowup or emotional reaction to, according to her own deposition, me being a man, me being a veteran, I don't know, and she threatened to call the police, [00:32:00] and it's unclear if she did call the police, but the police did come And, uh
Yeah, she's-- did not seem to be capable of, uh, performing the functions of her job, uh, with taxpayer money in her pocket. I'm a taxpayer. I'm her constituent, and so I left. I actually dealt more with Drew Draper more effectively than Renee Perry. But your earlier question is whether or not I met with Shelley Boshart Davis, and the answer is no.
I never saw Shelley that entire day
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: So was your first interaction at, uh, Representative Boshart Davis's office with Renee Berry?
Logan M Isaac: No.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Who was your first contact with at her office?
Logan M Isaac: Contact? Uh-
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Yes ...
Logan M Isaac: when I first emailed my district representative, it was by email in March of '24, [00:33:00] and Renee Perry responded to those and gave me Shelly Boshart Navis- Davis's cell phone number
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And on January, uh, or no, J- January 27th, 2025, when you went to, uh, the legislature, who was your first contact in the office of your representative, as you said?
Logan M Isaac: On January? Uh, Renee Perry. Okay.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What did you say to Renee Perry?
Logan M Isaac: I don't recall offhand, but I recorded audio that's part of the record.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. And you've produced that, um, record, correct?
I have,
Logan M Isaac: yep.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What do you remember Renee Perry saying back to you? "
Logan M Isaac: If you don't change your tone, I'm gonna call the police."
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did you ask her what the problem with your tone was?
Logan M Isaac: Why would I do that?
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, that's not my question.
Logan M Isaac: What was your question?
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: My [00:34:00] question is, did you ask her what the problem was with your tone?
Logan M Isaac: I don't remember
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Do you remember anything else that Renee Perry asked you?
Logan M Isaac: No, she didn't do r- much asking. She did a lot of demanding and yelling.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Well, you remember what she did. What do you remember you doing? What did you say to Renee Perry?
Logan M Isaac: I don't remember my specific words. I was there to engage in federally protected activity.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: So you don't remember what Renee Perry said, and you don't remember what you said. Is that correct?
Logan M Isaac: There's a record of it. I don't recall right now.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay What happened when the police came?
Logan M Isaac: I don't know
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Do you remember what you said to them?
Logan M Isaac: Yeah, I pointed out that she has been interrupting me and why I was unable to speak
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What was the response, [00:35:00] uh, what was the response of the police to you?
Logan M Isaac: I don't recall
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And at no time did you see, um, Representative, um, uh, Boshart Davis, correct?
Logan M Isaac: No.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: On that day?
Logan M Isaac: No.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. Once the police came, where did you go?
Logan M Isaac: I was, I was seated at the constituent's chair, whatever the thing is right in front of the desk.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: No, my question is, once the police came, where did you go?
Logan M Isaac: I didn't go
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: anywhere. After... Af- did you stay in the representative's office the entire day?
Logan M Isaac: No.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Were you escorted out of the office?
Logan M Isaac: No.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did you leave on your own behest?
Logan M Isaac: Yes, and the video will show that.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And when you left, where did you go?
Logan M Isaac: I probably got in my car and continued on to Salem[00:36:00]
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What was your first communication with Senator Manning's office after your interaction with, um, the office of, uh, Representative Boshart Davis? You're gonna have to give me dates. No, I'm asking time from you. When did you see Senator Manning after your, uh, meeting in, um, Representative Boshart Davis's office?
Logan M Isaac: September 24th, 2024, I think. September 24th
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Well, the meeting in Senator and Representative Boshart Davis' office was on January 27th, 2025. I'm asking when did you meet with, uh, Senator Manning after that?
Logan M Isaac: Oh, then your language earlier was [00:37:00] too vague. You said meeting. I met with Shelley Boshart Davis personally in September of '24.
After that meeting, I also met with James Manning that same month face-to-face
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: In your meeting in September with, uh, Boshart Davis, t- um, what conversation did you have with her?
Logan M Isaac: Uh, about the Military Civil Rights Act
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What did you tell her?
Logan M Isaac: I don't rec- rema- recall verbatim, but I, I believe I recorded that as well. I'm happy to point you to a URL where you can access it
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What did you, what did, um, uh, R- Representative, um, uh, Boshart Davis say to you-
Logan M Isaac: I don't recall ...
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: in that meeting? You don't recall any of those intera- actions?
Logan M Isaac: Uh, not specifically, no. But again, like I said, I recorded it, and it's available online.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: [00:38:00] Uh, did you believe that, um, Representative, um, Roshart Ba- uh, Ro- Roshart Davis supported the military, uh, bill, your military civil rights act?
Logan M Isaac: At what time?
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: When you met with her in September of 2024.
Logan M Isaac: I wa- I did not... I was not... I, I don't think I'd say that.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What would you say?
Logan M Isaac: She was a politician politicking. I don't know
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did she give you her position on the Military Civil Rights Bill?
Logan M Isaac: I don't recall
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did you meet with Senator Manning on that day in September?
Logan M Isaac: No, it was several days later.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. And what did you say to Senator Manning?
Logan M Isaac: Well, we're both military, so we kind of smoked and joked for a little bit, and then he offered me time, unprompted, to testify at his [00:39:00] Senate Committee on Veterans hearing in December
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did you come to the legislature prepared to testify at that Senate hearing?
Logan M Isaac: What Senate hearing?
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: The Senate hearing that you told me that Senator Manning offered you an opportunity to testify at.
Logan M Isaac: I wasn't very prepared because Manning's office, uh, ghosted me until... Yeah. Senator Manning offered me this opportunity to testify and then provided me zero means by which to prepare, so I had to improvise.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Well, that wasn't my question. My question is, did you come to testify at the hearing that Senator Ma- Manning offered you an opportunity to attend?
Logan M Isaac: Uh, well, the offer changed. Uh, but yes, I prepared as much as I could for testimony be- before my state, uh, Senate.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. [00:40:00] What was your understanding of when the hearing would be held?
Logan M Isaac: Could you say that again?
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What was your understanding of when the hearing would be held?
Logan M Isaac: Uh, I think the dates were posted pretty early. Uh, that was December 10th, 2024
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, did you have an invitation from Senator Manning to attend the Senate hearing on December 10th, 2024?
Logan M Isaac: I did, yes.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And what was the, what was the content of that invitation?
Logan M Isaac: It was a verbal agreement. I recorded it. It's online. He offered me 15 minutes within the Senate Committee on Veterans Affairs to speak about military civil rights.
Sorry, we're closed
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did you go to the legislature on December [00:41:00] 10th, 2024, prepared to give, uh, 15 minutes of, uh, testimony?
Logan M Isaac: No, he had reduced that time because he didn't like my protected activity
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did he tell you that he reduced the time because he didn't like your protected activity?
Logan M Isaac: No, he didn't say anything. He hid behind other aides and internet stuff.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Is it fair to say then that you don't know why? You are assuming that he, uh, diminished your time.
Logan M Isaac: I'm trying to consider whether or not I wanna expose a battle buddy to legal proceedings.
I had inside information that suggested that Manning, a, a lifer enlisted veteran, did not care about lower enlisted veterans and was more of a politician. We'd call him a lifer in the military.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: My question to you is, what makes you believe? Did Miss- [00:42:00] did Senator Manning say why he was, uh, uh, uh, shortening the time that you could come testify at the hearing?
Logan M Isaac: My answer to you is Senator Manning responded zero times despite multiple efforts at me to get information about how to prepare and what to prepare. Manning remained silent, and part of my inside information is from another veteran. And so within the military communiti- uh, community and culture, I res- I based that belief off my own training and life experience as a protected military member.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: So it's fair to say that you did not hear from Senator Manning himself about why, uh, he was not gonna give you time to testify?
Logan M Isaac: It is fair to say that Manning said nothing
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did Senator Manning say that you did have time? Was it a [00:43:00] formal commitment?
Logan M Isaac: He said to me verbally before one of his own staffers, which I recorded, offering me 15 minutes.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: On a specific date?
Logan M Isaac: Correct.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay.
Logan M Isaac: I, I believe so. I think so
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: It, y- you, you believe it was a specific date?
Logan M Isaac: You could check the audio recording that's on my website.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Was it December 10th?
Logan M Isaac: It turned out to be December 10th, yes. I don't know if I knew that date the day he offered it.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And when he offered that date, did you then show up on December 10th to give testimony?
Logan M Isaac: Objection, uh, form basis. Uh, you don't, you don't seem to be following the sequential order of events. Could you
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: restate the question? Uh, sir, m- my question... You can answer my question. Did you [00:44:00] show up on December 10th, 2024, 10-- 2025. Uh, uh, actually it's 2024, isn't it? It's 2024. Did you show up on December 10th to testify in response to Senator Manning's invitation to you?
Logan M Isaac: Yes.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And did you testify on that date?
Logan M Isaac: Um, not openly, not without intimidation in place. So yeah, that's my answer.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. What intimidation was in place?
Logan M Isaac: Well, when you spend 13 months in combat, you know when you have a tail. I drove 13 months for my platoon sergeant. I know when people are following me. And I suspected when I got there, Oregon State Police had a tail on me.
And so [00:45:00] immediately, my anxiety shot up. So yes, I, I appeared at that committee meeting, but as soon as I got there, I realized that I had been treated as a criminal when I had done nothing wrong. So my testimony was under duress.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: But you did give testimony on December 10th, correct?
Logan M Isaac: That's one way of phrasing it
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: When was your first contact with, um, Mr. Keating in Senator, um, Manning's office?
Logan M Isaac: Of the office?
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Yes.
Logan M Isaac: February 28th, I think. In and out
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What did you understand Mr. Keating's position to be?
Logan M Isaac: He had on his name [00:46:00] tag that said, uh, Matt K- Matthew Keating, senior policy advisor to James Manning
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Was that your first meeting with, uh, or first encounter with Mr. Keating?
Logan M Isaac: The first I was aware of, yes.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did you have any communication with him?
Logan M Isaac: That's technically, yes. Senator Manning, in response to when we were initially setting up these meetings in, I wanna say Oc- you know, September of '24, Senator Manning replied all and CC'd me, including his Gmail address and Matthew Keating's Gmail address.
So Keating already knew me, but I did not know Ke- Keating, and apparently it was in my inbox
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: So when did you next meet Matthew Keating?
Logan M Isaac: February 28th, 2025 at In-N-Out [00:47:00] in Salem.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. Describe what happened.
Logan M Isaac: Protected activity.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, you need to be more specific than that.
Logan M Isaac: First Amendment-protected activity.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: So First Amendment pr-protected activity rec- uh, involves speech.
What kind of speech did you, uh, provide at that time? What did you say to Matt Keating?
Logan M Isaac: Uh, it's recorded on video, and I'll defer to whatever that record contains.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Well, I would like it on this record. What do you remember you said to Matt Keating?
Logan M Isaac: Uh, I don't remember offhand. I know it was federally protected activity.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: That's a legal conclusion, sir. I'm asking you in this deposition, what do you remember that you said to Matt Keating at the In-N-Out restaurant in, uh, uh, in February of 2024?
Logan M Isaac: I would not have approached Matthew Keating if I did not know that I was protected from the First Amendment. I've been an act- I was in the anti-war movement.
I've [00:48:00] taken constitutional, uh, training, media training. I was engaging in protected activity. That is my answer.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Well, the question is, what did you say?
Logan M Isaac: The answer is it's on the record, you can look it up
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. Um, and I will say again that when you, um, answer like that, y- you're entitled to receive an adverse instruction that a jury or a fact-finder can infer that the answer you would have given, um, is adverse to your interests Can
Logan M Isaac: you cite that rule so I can look it up and verify?
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, it's li- the law, the- Which law? Um, well, I don't have to tell you that because-
Logan M Isaac: Then I can, uh, remind you- Yeah ... I'm not aware of any statute that would- That's fine ... prohibit my exercise of religion or speech. Yeah. So it's great- That- ... that you're saying that. Yeah. However, I will state again on the record, if you don't know your job and if you don't know your citations, [00:49:00] it's not my problem.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Well, sir, it's not my problem either that you don't want to get legal instruction from me. Clearly- You're not a lawyer ... I am not in the position of giving you legal instruction, and so you are s- No ... you are sitting for this, uh, deposition, um, p- providing answers. I'm telling you what the law is surrounding those instructions.
You can choose to disregard what I say or you can choose to disregard what you believe. I just want your answer on the record. That's all I want.
Logan M Isaac: I'm going to point out again on the record, you are giving me mutually exclusive logical fallacies. You're not a lawyer. You don't get to give me legal advice, and unless you can cite it so I can check it myself, it is not binding until I can verify it.
Now, if you like, if you have a citation, I will close my window, I will look it up, and I will say, "Ah, you're right." But last time I checked, I'm not a lawyer and neither are you. So the legal definition, the legal opinion, you are not entitled to give me. You [00:50:00] can't. You're not my lawyer.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Sir, or brother, you are correct that I do not need to give you legal advice.
You are incorrect that I am not a lawyer. I am a lawyer, and I am giving this- You're not my lawyer. That is correct, and so I am not giving you advice- Good ... uh, legal advice. I am telling you what the law is. It's not advice. You can act according- But you can't cite the
Logan M Isaac: law. That's like me saying an unjust law is no law at all and telling you you should know that that's Thomas Aquinas and Hippo, uh, Augustine of Hippo.
So- If you can't cite it, I can't verify it I'm not going to take you at your word just because you have a degree any more than you would me
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And that's fine. You don't have to know the law. Oh, thank you. Thank you. As a courtesy, I gave you the law. As a courtesy, you can follow it- You did not give me the law
or not at your own behest. It is at your own exposure. That statement is false. You did [00:51:00] not give me the law. No, that's it. Um, sir- What's the law? ... uh, brother, um, Isaac, I- I'm gonna proceed with this, um, deposition because I'm not going to give you legal advice.
Logan M Isaac: Thank you for making my point for me.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: No. Yes, I'm sure that you think you've made a point.
Um, how many times have you been to the Oregon State Legislature?
Logan M Isaac: I don't count them.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Can you give me an approximation?
Logan M Isaac: Handful.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Well, is that, uh, a handful meaning five?
Logan M Isaac: Yeah.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay.
Logan M Isaac: Yeah.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: So you've been to the legislature approximately five times. Is that correct?
Logan M Isaac: Probably.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, for what purpose?
Logan M Isaac: Protected activity.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: When you say protected activity, on what, uh, things were you advocating for?
Logan M Isaac: Participation in the political process.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Um, are there... Is there anything specific? Were you advocating for the ability to speak? Were [00:52:00] you advocating f- for the ability to speak on something specific? If you were advocating for, to speak on something specific, what is that specific thing that you were advocating for?
Logan M Isaac: Advocating for my rights to be enforced at the federal and local level.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, which rights?
Logan M Isaac: Title 18, Section 9- 1389.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Was that your purpose in going to the legislature each time you went to the legislature?
Logan M Isaac: Most of them, yeah. Uh, if not all of them.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Well, is your answer most or is your answer all?
Logan M Isaac: Both
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: When you went to, uh, Representative Boshart Davis' office and, uh, had communication with Renee Perry, how long did that interaction take? [00:53:00]
Logan M Isaac: Which meeting? There were at least two.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. Tell me about the first meeting. When was the first date?
Logan M Isaac: September of '04. '24.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Oh. And how long did that last?
Logan M Isaac: 20 minutes It's recorded on the internet.
You can check it yourself.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Well, I'm asking you what you remember. What do you remember saying to her?
Logan M Isaac: I don't remember, but you could check the record.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, what do you remember Renee Perry saying to you?
Logan M Isaac: I don't remember. I've already said that.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Um, as a result of that conversation, did you make any further, uh, appointment with your representative?
Logan M Isaac: I don't think we made an appointment. I... No, we did. No, that was September. No, I don't think I made an appointment after that.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What was the second time?
Logan M Isaac: January 27th, '25.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did [00:54:00] you have an appointment at that time?
Logan M Isaac: No
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And what did you, um, say to Renee Perry at the time?
Logan M Isaac: Objection. Form already answered.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, and you don't remember, is that correct?
Logan M Isaac: I would defer to the record, yeah.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Um, d- did you approach, uh, Ms. Perry?
Logan M Isaac: No.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Um, did you stay at the entrance of the office?
Logan M Isaac: No.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Where did you stay in this interaction?
Logan M Isaac: There was a empty chair right on the other side of Perry's desk.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And when you went to Ms. Perry's desk, did you sit in that chair?
Logan M Isaac: I did.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did you at any time, um, stop before you reached that chair?
Logan M Isaac: I don't recall.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Um, did you put your hands on her desk?
Logan M Isaac: No.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, did you have any contact with her at all?
Logan M Isaac: No.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did she [00:55:00] ask you, uh... At one point you thought she was upset, correct?
Logan M Isaac: She raised her voice, yeah.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Is that how you believed she was upset? Because she raised her voice?
Logan M Isaac: Um, she raised her voice.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. Do you remember what she said to you? "
Logan M Isaac: Why are you threatening me with that?"
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And you... Is it your testimony that you do not believe you were threatening her?
Logan M Isaac: It's the record.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And you believe you were not threatening to her, correct?
Logan M Isaac: I have no reason to think I was a threat to anybody.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, when was your first interaction with, um, Drew Draper?
Logan M Isaac: That day.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. Was it during the, uh, interaction that you were having with Renee Perry?
Logan M Isaac: Yeah.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. What do you remember Drew Draper coming to you to say?
Logan M Isaac: I don't remember him coming to me at all.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Well, when did you have your interaction with him? [00:56:00]
Logan M Isaac: Uh, I don't know. It's on the record.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: You don't remember what he said to you?
Logan M Isaac: Not specifically, no.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Do you remember what you said to him?
Logan M Isaac: Um, I asked him where to send the, the draft legislation that Heeb dropped, and yeah
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And what did he say to you?
Logan M Isaac: I don't remember.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Do you remember if he gave, gave you some place to send the legislature, legislation? Yeah, he gave me his email, I think, his card
court reporter: Um, excuse me, um, Mr. Schneider, it looks like somebody is joining by the name of Marc Abrams
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, he, he is from Oregon Department of Justice. He, uh, will not be participating in the, in the deposition.
Logan M Isaac: Why is Abrams Okay.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: I will admit-
Logan M Isaac: [00:57:00] Is that the guy with the harassment complaint that was settled? Abrams? Marc with a C. Why is he trying to get on this call?
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, sir, this is my deposition. He's not on, on the call.
Logan M Isaac: Okay.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Um- Did, uh, was anybody else in the, um, office cubicle area with Renee Perry and Drew Draper in February and, yeah, in January of 2025?
Logan M Isaac: Not when I walked in, I don't think. No. Yeah, there were lobbyists. That's right. There were a couple people in there.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Do you remember who they were?
Logan M Isaac: No
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: How long was your meeting with, uh, Renee Perry?
Logan M Isaac: In January of '25?
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: In January of '25.
Logan M Isaac: I think I clocked it just under 10 minutes. I think I recorded the au- all the audio, so whatever the public record says, I would trust it. Oh, I [00:58:00] also included it in the, uh, initial disclosure, so council has it.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Um, after the meeting with, um, Renee Perry in January of 2025, do you remember if you had any other interactions with, um, uh, with, uh, Renee Perry?
I don't think I did. So when you-- when she said that she felt intimidated, is that your recollection of the last time you spoke with her?
Logan M Isaac: When did she say that to me?
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Um, you say, said that she felt threatened, correct?
Logan M Isaac: Yeah, she said, "Why are you threatening me?"
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. Was that the last interaction that you had with Renee Perry?
Logan M Isaac: No. Well, not, I mean, it was all that day.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. Well, tell me about that. How did that proceed?
Logan M Isaac: As I've said before, it's publicly available. Counsel has it. I don't recall specifically [00:59:00]
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did you meet with Renee Perry at any time that day outside of the interaction that you had with her in the office?
Logan M Isaac: Yes. I returned to the office to give them a printout of what I had emailed Drew Draper.
That was at about 13, f- uh, 1:49.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. And when you returned to the office, did you say anything to Renee Perry?
Logan M Isaac: Yes.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: A- and is it your testimony that the record will show what you said to her?
Logan M Isaac: Uh, y- uh, yeah. I gave that to counsel. I don't know if I transcribed it, but
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Well, do you remember what you said to her?
Logan M Isaac: Generally, I asked her if she wanted to have a copy of what we actually talked about, because Drew I don't think was there.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And what did she say to you? "
Logan M Isaac: I don't wanna talk to you," or something.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Was that the [01:00:00] extent of the conversation?
Logan M Isaac: That I was aware of at the time, yeah.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. Do you remember anything else about that interaction?
Logan M Isaac: Yeah, apparently, apparently she triggered a panic alarm after I left.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Um, uh, why do you say that apparently she triggered the alarm?
Logan M Isaac: Evidence obtained in discovery
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What evidence are you referring to?
Logan M Isaac: I don't have the Bates number offhand, but counsel does.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Well, what I'm saying is, what do you think, what did you learn? Not the piece of paper. What did you learn that you believe indicates that she set off a trigger alarm?
Logan M Isaac: Uh, the CAD report included the room from which the alarm was triggered.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. In response to the alarm, did the Oregon State Police arrive?
Logan M Isaac: You'd have to ask Oregon State Police.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: No, I'm asking you.
Logan M Isaac: I can't answer, I can't [01:01:00] answer on someone else's behalf. Objection, form.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did the Oregon State Police come to the office where you were standing with Renee Perry?
Logan M Isaac: No.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did you ever talk to the Oregon State Police on that day?
Logan M Isaac: Several times, yes.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: On January 20- uh, January 27th, 2025?
Logan M Isaac: Yes.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And when did you talk to the police?
Logan M Isaac: Uh, Trooper Kolac, Brian Kolac, came and f- came to me on the elevator. Um, and he had accompanied me to James Manning's office, where I was going to give the same piece of paper, and Manning's office triggered a panic alarm as well, according to evidence obtained in discovery.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What did Trooper Kolac say to you when you met him at the elevator?
Logan M Isaac: You'd have to check the body cam footage, which is in evidence. I don't recall specifically.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Do you remember what you told him?
Logan M Isaac: I don't remember specifically. It's already in evidence.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, do you remember what he said to [01:02:00] you at all? I just...
You're referring me to the record?
Logan M Isaac: Yeah.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Is that all?
Logan M Isaac: Yes, it is. The record would be more reliable than my memory.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And so when you went to Senator Manning's office, who do you a- who did you ask for?
Logan M Isaac: I don't remember
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Who did you meet with?
Logan M Isaac: There was a staffer sitting behind the desk. Um, and I have to assume that's who triggered the silent alarm despite Oregon State Police Trooper Kolac being behind me.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Do you remember who that staffer was?
Logan M Isaac: No, I don't think I had seen her before.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did you say anything to her?
Logan M Isaac: It would be on the body cam footage. I don't remember specifically.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did you, uh, proceed to give the, uh, documentation you had to Senator Manning?
Logan M Isaac: I, I don't really think so. I think I was there to ask about the m- a meeting for [01:03:00] SB 1057 that Tim Thatcher told me to be ready to testify at.
And Manning's staff member could not give me an answer, and I said something to the effect of, "You know, I can come completely unprepared tomorrow when this hearing is supposed to happen for this bill that I drafted myself for my protected class is supposed to be given a hearing, or I could not show up at all because you're telling me it's not happening or the, the screen said it's not happening."
So Manning, as I said earlier, was non-communicative for no reason that I could-- that I was aware of. So my-- the extent of the conversation at Manning's office was different. I don't remember if I said the specific bill, but I definitely asked, uh, "Is there a hearing tomorrow or not?" But I didn't learn until discovery.
In fact, last night, I didn't discover that, in fact, Manning had canceled it two days prior because he, quote, he, like, [01:04:00] didn't want me around or something, something just bonkers
Oh, I've got one
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did you ever talk to, uh, Senator Manning about why, uh, he canceled the meeting on the hearing?
Logan M Isaac: Objection. Form already stated. Uh, I've already told you that Manning remained silent. He hid from some boogeyman that I don't know the name of.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: So have you ever talked to Senator Manning regarding why the, the, um, the hearing was canceled?
Logan M Isaac: Objection. Form already answered.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: So just so we're clear, it's your testimony that you have never spoken to Senator Manning about why the hearing was canceled. Is that correct?
Logan M Isaac: It'd be more correct to say that Manning has not responded to correspondence written-
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: That's not, that's not my question.
Logan M Isaac: That's my
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: answer.
My question is, is it correct that [01:05:00] Senator Manning never spoke to you about why the hearing was canceled?
Logan M Isaac: And my answer is, I swore to tell the whole truth, not a partial truth. The whole truth is that Manning refused to answer emails because he didn't like my protected activity. That is my answer
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did you ever approach, um, uh, uh, Representative, um, um, Boshart Davis, uh, following this incident in 2025? Yes. Did you ever approach her to talk about, uh, the, um, incident in her office?
Logan M Isaac: My answer to that question would be no.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. Did you ever approach her when she was campaigning?
Logan M Isaac: My answer to that question would be no.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. So you never approached her during her campaign in 2025?
Logan M Isaac: [01:06:00] Objection. Form already answered.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did you ever approach her, uh, during her campaign in 2026?
Logan M Isaac: I thought that's what we were talking about.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: I asked you about the campaign in 2025, and you gave an answer. Now I'm asking you about anything during a campaign in 2026.
Logan M Isaac: Was she campaigning in 2025?
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Uh, sir, that's not my question. My question is, did you ever approach her during a campaign in 2026?
Logan M Isaac: Did I ever... Yeah, I think you're getting your premise jumbled
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Well, that's fine.
Answer the question that I asked, please. My- Did you ever approach Representative Ro- Roshaert Davis during campaign activities in 2026?
Logan M Isaac: My answer to that question is that Shelly Boshart Davis didn't really campaign either of those seasons. When we did interact, she came to my kid's school, and I asked her a [01:07:00] question.
Protected activity
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: So when did she come to your kid's school?
Logan M Isaac: I don't remember the specific date. North Albany Me- Elementary School. I don't remember the date, but it was recent. Uh, it's also-
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And you don't believe that it was that campaigning?
Logan M Isaac: She didn't seem to be campaigning at all
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Well, when she came to your child's school, what did you understand her purpose to be?
Logan M Isaac: I was there because I live in North Albany. It's my elementary school for my kids, and the neighborhood ass- affiliation created an event and invited politicians. Shelly Boshart Davis was the last to arrive, and she left early. If you call that campaigning, sure, but I'm the one under oath.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Oh my gosh. [01:08:00] So she came to your child's school during an i- for invitation for politicians.
What was your interaction with her at that event?
Logan M Isaac: During the Q&A, I asked a question that I recorded and that is publicly available.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What was the question?
Logan M Isaac: Uh, something to the effect of, "You claim to support veterans. Why did you not support the Military Civil Rights Act?"
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And what was her response?
Logan M Isaac: I, I don't recall.
Uh, but she, she basically tried to not respond
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Is, was that meeting recorded?
Logan M Isaac: Yes.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And is that part of the record?
Logan M Isaac: I don't know if it's part of the record, but it's online. It's part of public record. I'm happy to share it if it's requested.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Have you produced it in, um, discovery?
Logan M Isaac: Uh, if counsel requests it, it is [01:09:00] available.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Well, that's not my question. I s- my question is, have you produced it?
Logan M Isaac: Not at this moment because counsel hasn't requested it
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: On, uh, January, um, 27th, 2025, after you went to Senator Manning's office and didn't receive, uh, a meeting with him, did you go back to a representative, uh, Boshart Davis's office?
Logan M Isaac: I wasn't requesting a meeting with Manning. Uh, I don't think I went back to Bo- Boshart Davis's office.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. Do you believe that you went to, uh, Boshart Davis's office only once on January 25th, January 27th?
Logan M Isaac: No, twice.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. That's what I'm want- asking about. The second time- [01:10:00] Yeah ... what was the purpose? Was that after you went to Senator Manning's office?
Logan M Isaac: No.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: When was it?
Logan M Isaac: Before Senator Manning's office.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: So you went to, uh, Representative Boshart Davis's office twice before you went to Manning's office. Is that correct?
Logan M Isaac: I went at 09 and 13:49. After that is when I went to Manning's office
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: S- Well, I'm confused now. So you went at 0900, is that what you're saying?
Logan M Isaac: I went in the morning. That was when I was told I would have the police called in, on me if I didn't change my tone. I was on my way to the Oregonian offices in Salem. That's where I went. I also visited the Portland Police and some other people.
Then I came back. On my way to Albany, I stopped at the Capitol again to give my office a copy of the legislative concept we were talking about. [01:11:00] After I did that- And,
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: and between those two visits to your representative's office, did you go to Senator Manning's office?
Logan M Isaac: No, it was after those two visits.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: That was on body cam video. So after those two vis- at... Was it, uh, after those two visits on the same day? Was it on January 27th, 2025?
Logan M Isaac: Yes, it was probably about 2:00. That's part of the body cam footage that's already in evidence
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: So I'm going to, um, uh, put up, uh, an exhibit. This is the letter that you received from, um, your representative. It's the letter already in discovery, but I just wanna have it up. It's, um, the Bates number is Isaac, L-A-C-S-D-T000127. We'll provide it to the court reporter for the [01:12:00] record. Alice, can you, uh, put that up, please?
court reporter: Is this being marked as Exhibit 1?
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Brother Isaac, can you see that?
Logan M Isaac: Yeah.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. Do you remember receiving that letter?
Logan M Isaac: Yeah
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What was your response to the letter?
Logan M Isaac: Um, I emailed a response. I don't think it was that day though
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Um, other than an email, did you do any other, uh, uh, com- communication in response to this communication?
Logan M Isaac: I don't think so.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. Now, you understood that, um, or did you understand when you received the letter that you could, uh, continue to communicate with your representative, correct?[01:13:00]
Logan M Isaac: I'm sorry, say that again.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: After you received the letter, you understood that you could communicate with your representative, Representative Boshart Davis, correct?
Logan M Isaac: When I read that? No
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: You understood, however, that you were not permitted to visit her office, correct?
Logan M Isaac: I, uh, I understand that's what she was claiming, yeah.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Well, the letter says, "You are free to communicate with my office through alternative se- channels, such as electronic mail or the United States Parcel Service," correct?
Logan M Isaac: That's what the letter says, probably, yeah.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. W- do you, did you believe the letter?
Logan M Isaac: As I stated in my response, which is part of evidence, I do not believe we have the same understanding of my federal rights
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Um, and just so that I know, you received this letter on [01:14:00] February 7th, 2025, correct?
Logan M Isaac: It was emailed, uh, it was probably February 7th.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. Well, uh, my question is, you received it, correct?
Logan M Isaac: I'd have to check to be sure. But yeah, I don't think it was a different date.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. And so i-i- is it your testimony that you do not believe that Representative Boshart Davis had the right to tell you that she...
that you were no longer permitted to visit her office?
Logan M Isaac: Uh, the letter speaks for itself. It contains no self... It contains no inherent authority. Uh, yeah, it's-
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Sir, m- my question to you is, what did you believe? Did you believe that she didn't have the right to tell you that you could not visit her office?
Logan M Isaac: I believe it to be...
Did I believe that... My response will con- My email response would contain that. I don't recall [01:15:00] offhand, but my email reply was written much more contemporaneously
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: My question is not timing. My question is when you, when you, after you received the letter, did you believe that Representative Boshart Davis did not have the right to tell you that you were not permitted to visit her office?
Logan M Isaac: At the time... I, I don't know. I can't answer that, uh, concretely
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Well, how about now? Do you believe that she had the right to tell you that you could not visit her office in person?
Logan M Isaac: Uh, I don't believe you can... I bel- Well, are you asking me what I believe now?
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Yes.
Logan M Isaac: Yeah, there's no due process. Uh, I think the evidence contains that as well.
And I believe in- Okay ... the 14th Amendment. I believe in the First Amendment. I even believe in the Fifth Amendment. That one's all right. Um, but yeah, I [01:16:00] do believe that she overexerted her power. She did not have the power, uh, private power to her private interests to deprive an American citizen, much less a combat veteran, of petition for redress from our government.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. I wanna ig- uh, post another exhibit. This is, um, the letter that Brett Haines wrote, uh, to you on February 21st, 2025.
court reporter: Was that initial exhibit, um, exhibit one for the purpose of this deposition?
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: For the purpose of this des- deposition, it's exhibit one. And for the purpose of this deposition, the next exhibit, a letter authored by Brett Haines, will be exhibit two
Is Mark Abrams on this call? I thought he wasn't supposed to be participating. Uh, [01:17:00] sir, um, this is my deposition. Um, M- Mr., um, Abrams is not participating in this deposition. Um, Mr. Isaac, did you receive this letter dated February 21st, 2025?
Logan M Isaac: I received a letter. I don't know if it was that same date, 'cause some of those weren't always sent when your clients claim they were sent.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. Uh, I'm just asking you, did you receive this letter?
Logan M Isaac: Yes. It was by email.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: And by email you could see that, um, the, um, second paragraph, uh, talks about his authority as a legislative administrator described in ORS 173.72, that he authorized the Oregon State Troopers to restrict, uh, your access to the building.
Do you see that?
Logan M Isaac: ORS 173.720, yeah.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. Do, do you [01:18:00] believe that Mr. Haynes had the right to restrict your access to, uh, the, um, legislature building?
Logan M Isaac: Objection. Form. Asks for a legal opinion.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: No, I'm asking for your opinion.
Logan M Isaac: I am
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: acting- Do you- ... as my
Logan M Isaac: own counsel.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Yes, I know. Do you believe that he has the authority?
Logan M Isaac: I'd have to read ORS 173.720.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay. Well, um, before you read it, or without reading it, did you believe that Mr. Haynes has the authority?
Logan M Isaac: Without having it in front of me, no, I do not believe he has the authority to ban members of the public, uh, American citizens, from the legislative, uh, capital. Okay. Um- I'm pretty sure the federal constitution protects us from unlawful restriction on rights, including the First Amendment, the Fourth Amendment, 14th Amendment.[01:19:00]
Maybe the 11th, too. Why not?
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: In this letter, Mr. Haynes provided you with, um, uh, the means, the information about how to notify, uh, the Oregon State Police before visiting, correct? Uh, could you say that again? Sure. In this letter, Mr. Haynes gave you, uh, the notice regarding how you could contact the Oregon State Police before you visited the leg- the legislature buildings, correct?
Uh, the letter speaks for itself. Did you know that you were to, uh, contact the Oregon State Police before you entered the legislature buildings?
Logan M Isaac: I know the let- what the letter states.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Do you, do you have the information, after you received the letter, that you were to, um, notify the Oregon State [01:20:00] Police before you entered the legislature?
Logan M Isaac: I think I, I already answered that.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Um, I don't think so. Please answer it now.
Logan M Isaac: Could you ask it again?
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Once you received this letter, did you know that you were to contact the Oregon State Police before you, um, went to the legislature?
Logan M Isaac: I know that I have federal rights that Brett Haynes seems to think are not as important as his interests
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: The third paragraph of this letter says, "Notify- notification to any other office of the Oregon State Police will be considered inadequate notice. Failure to comply with these conditions for your visits will result in your being escorted from the Capitol, and you may be charged with criminal trespass under ORS 164.245."
Did you read that letter when you received it? Did you [01:21:00] receive that... W- did you read that paragraph when you received the letter?
Logan M Isaac: Probably
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Do you remember if you read that paragraph?
Logan M Isaac: I remember that I probably read it.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: At any time, did you violate that, the, the conditions set forth in that, um, paragraph?
Logan M Isaac: Uh, not to my knowledge.
No, he sent a resension, recension letter, so he stated himself. That is not an unknown fact to your client
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Sir, that's not my question. My question is did you comply with the, the paragraph that is stated in this letter once you received it?
Logan M Isaac: I have no reason to think that I did not comply.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay Um, and so, uh, you were aware that you could communicate with people at the legislature, [01:22:00] um, if you followed the instructions that you, uh, for example, if you had a police escort, correct?
What was the first part of your question? Um, court reporter, would you read it back please?
court reporter: Yes. Uh, you were aware that you could communicate with people at the legislature if you followed the instructions, for example, if you had police escort, correct?
Logan M Isaac: I am aware that that is a violation of my federal rights.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Yeah, well, that's not, that's not my question. My question is, you were aware that that's what that paragraph said?
Logan M Isaac: I am aware that Brett Haines was asking me to abide by my own in- by infringing my own rights, and I was not prepared to do that.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Did you ever follow up with Mr.
Haines?
Logan M Isaac: Yeah, I sent some kind of response.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What kind of response did you send?
Logan M Isaac: Similar to the one [01:23:00] that seemed to trigger your client's assertion of my federal rights.
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: What was the assertion of your federal rights? Was it stated in an email?
Logan M Isaac: Yeah. Yeah
Jill Schneider, ORDOJ: Okay, I'm gonna take a, a quick break here for ten minutes.
videographer: We're going off the record. The time is eleven thirty-five
