VA Shrink Gaslights Vet

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why are you suggesting that I'm angry?

No, I want to know if it's something related to the medicine or related to or anything like that. That's all.

If what is related

that you are feeling a little may, may. Sometimes, you know, I perceive something for my patients. I'm perceiving a little bit of irritability or something.

Irritability.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to to bother you or anyone.

Well, I wanna understand why you perceive me to be irritable and why that may in apparently have something to do with drugs.

Some, sometimes the medications has sense.

Maybe I, I should be more clear. What about my behavior suggests that I'm irritable or angry is what you said.

No, no, you're not, you're not as interactive. You know, you, you seem a little bit, kind of aloof or something. That's why, you know,

what do you mean? It's not clear to me how coming to my appointment, answering your questions is, or aloof or irritable.

I don't mean by the way, I don't mean that in a negative way. I'm just trying to, to see if, if you are feeling the way I'm perceiving you, you know, that's all. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not being critical in any way. Maybe you are feeling Absolutely. Well, you know, but I, I just, I'm asking being, being a mental health professional,

I'm asking about your perception. Where'd that come from? You're in the sciences, right?

Just, you know, you seem a little bit. the facade I'm getting, you know, you are a little bit kind of short fuse or something, you know,

short fuse ?

Or abrupt or something like that.

Did I blow up?

No, no, no.

So where is this coming from?

That's, that's what I perceived, you know, I'm sorry, I don't

Yeah, I've asked you for what it is about that. Do you want me to be speaking more? Do you want me to pull down my mask and show you my teeth like a chimpanzee or what? What were you expecting that you didn't get?

To be able to share how you feel and exchange thoughts and stuff like that. That's all

have I not answered your questions?

No, you did.

Okay. So

I apologize. You know, I don't mean, I really don't mean to irritate you. I'm sorry.

Okay.

Really, I'm so sorry. I really meant well. I, I don't, I didn't mean to,

the road to hell is paved with good intentions. So you, you read my behavior, which I don't think it's changed since I sat down as somehow angry that's not okay. You don't get to tell me how I feel and then take actions based on your perception of my own internal disposition. That is the problem with the va. I'm, I do not, I never have come into the VA skipping and singing, you know, Disney fairytale songs cuz the VA is kind of a messed up system. Do you have to use the VA for your healthcare?

No.

So you don't know how it is. Do you?

I suffer with it every day as a doctor. Yeah.

So maybe

to, to, to help my patients, you know, it's, it's a process, you know, it's not easy.

So I'm not a psychiatrist, but I would think that helping your patients doesn't include putting them into emotional categories that help you understand something that you are feeling that then gets projected onto us.

Okay. You makesense. So, and again, my apology, I then, I'm not gonna argue with you. I, you are a hundred percent on target and I, I, I just asked, I thought maybe that will help you to vent out about something that is there and you did actually.

Oh, no, I don't, I, I don't think you understand vets. Don't get to vent. Vets Don't get to vent.

Okay.

So I'm gonna answer your questions, which I have. Is that correct?

Correct.

So I really appreciate it unless you're actually a therapist and this contains some doctor patient confidentiality, something. Please don't put your perception on me cuz that already happens at the VA and everywhere else. It's not appropriate and it's unprofessional.

I agree. And again, I'm sorry.

Now I think that maybe you were put on the defensive because I said, which is my memory that you prescribed me cymbalta, you told me 20 milligrams. I got that in the mail and then all of a sudden I got 90 pills. And when we spoke about it, I asked you about it. And then after I got a, a full pill box, then you said, oh, well go up to 40 and then maybe we'll try 60. And as I said, when I sat down, that seemed really weird. So I took a while to start building up from 20 to 40 because the only explanation that I could. have that made sense to me was, well, maybe you, the VA has to get rid of these pills. Instead of having told me from the outset, which I had to discover through WebMD and Google, that 60 is a regular baseline for Cymbalta. You never told me that on the phone or in, no. I think there's the first time we've met in person. Is that correct?

Yeah, it seems like it. Yeah.

So when you tell me after the fact, it seems like you're trying to cover your ass. And so my lack of trust in you as a representative of the va, which is responsible for killing almost as many vets as it helps is perfectly reasonable. Maybe that's why you perceived my straightforwardness as anger.

I think you're right on target. Yes, I agree. That, and I'm sorry if I mis presented anything, you know, but I, I listen, I, I, I know saying sorry sometimes is not helpful, but I really, I really, I am, I I don't mean to ruin your day or create, create an issue that is not meant to be

Yeah. Road to hell.

Yes.