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Paul Carlson: [00:00:00] The, uh, x-ray was closed today. You were upset. And then you asked him if he carried a firearm and he told you no. And you said, uh, what are you gonna, if someone came in and started shooting up the place, what are you gonna do about it? So,
Logan Martin Isaac: I'm sorry. I said, what?
Paul Carlson: He said that you said if someone came in and started shooting up the place, what are you going to do about it?
Logan Martin Isaac: Who said? I said that?
Paul Carlson: That's what was relayed to me from by the security.
Logan Martin Isaac: I think the security guard is lying. Did you double check with anybody else there or do you just take in hearsay as like,
Paul Carlson: that's why, that's why I'm calling you because I wanted to get your side of the story.
Logan Martin Isaac: And what'd you say your name was again?
Paul Carlson: It's Paul Carlson.
Logan Martin Isaac: Paul Carlson. And, and you're a Department of Veterans Affairs criminal investigator. Is that correct?
Paul Carlson: That is correct.
Logan Martin Isaac: And a security guard, is that a VA employee?
Paul Carlson: He is a contract security guard for the va. Correct.
Logan Martin Isaac: So we're not even [00:01:00] talking about a VA federal employee. We're talking about a private security contractor alleging to a criminal investigator that I made a threat.
He is accusing me of saying, of asking him if he had a firearm and if not, why? What would he do in some violent event
Paul Carlson: if someone came in to shoot up the place? Correct.
Logan Martin Isaac: That statement was absolutely never made. And I have witnesses.
Paul Carlson: Okay.
Logan Martin Isaac: And that guy needs to, that's why
Paul Carlson: it's called, that's why we called it an investigation because I, I talked to the people and I tried to ascertain the facts.
Logan Martin Isaac: People, which people?
Paul Carlson: You are one of the people I'm calling, so I to call. Okay. You, since you
Logan Martin Isaac: were, and were other there and there were VA employees, your colleagues who were witnesses there, did you ask them? If any of that was said,
Paul Carlson: it came through in a disruptive behavior report and another employee had put [00:02:00] that into the system.
Correct. And I'm following up on it.
Logan Martin Isaac: Wait, what do you mean? Correct. There's more than one individual involved in this false accusation.
Paul Carlson: There was, there was two people, yes. There was two people that had alleged that you had said that.
Logan Martin Isaac: Okay. What are their names?
Paul Carlson: Okay, you can get, you can do a form information request.
I'm not required to give you all the names of the people. I'm asking your side of the story. And if you choose, not, if you say that nothing happened. And then you choose not to speak to me about it. That's fine. That's your, that's,
I
Logan Martin Isaac: wanna make sure I get the facts as they Okay. Exist.
Paul Carlson: Okay. I've already told you.
I'll, I'll give you the case number and you can do a foyer request. Okay?
Logan Martin Isaac: No, no. I'm not gonna wait for a foyer request. Somebody's made a criminal complaint
Paul Carlson: because I'm not, I'm
Logan Martin Isaac: authorized. Paul, I'm asking you, you to do your job,
Paul Carlson: okay? I'm telling you that I'm not authorized to release information directly to you.
Do you understand that?
Logan Martin Isaac: Yes.
Paul Carlson: You're not the one who dictates that's the VA policy. Okay, so let me write, get, write down the case number I'm going to give you, okay?
Logan Martin Isaac: Sure. Go ahead. Paul Car [00:03:00] Carlson.
Paul Carlson: Okay, good. I'm glad you know my name. It's 6 4 8
Logan Martin Isaac: 6 4
Paul Carlson: 8 2 6 2 6
Logan Martin Isaac: 0 2 6 0
Paul Carlson: 0 7 4 6 0
Logan Martin Isaac: 7 4 6.
Paul Carlson: Correct.
Logan Martin Isaac: So there were two employees.
Who alleged that I made a statement. There
Paul Carlson: was a, there was a security officer.
Logan Martin Isaac: Hey Paul, an
Paul Carlson: employee. Hey
Logan Martin Isaac: Paul.
Paul Carlson: I said there was, uh, no, listen to what I told you.
Logan Martin Isaac: You, I just started stating something and you interrupted me, Paul.
Paul Carlson: No, but I'm tell, I'm telling you who, who was there, the security guard and an employee that, that had supposedly witnessed this incident.
Okay. That's all I know right now. I haven't been out to the Salem Sea B, but I was gonna call you and I'm also gonna follow up there too. Okay.
Logan Martin Isaac: Let me know when you're done talking.
Paul Carlson: Okay. I'm done talking now.
Logan Martin Isaac: So just to make sure I get my facts and I really need you to not interrupt me, Paul, 'cause now I'm recording as well and getting two conflicting audio [00:04:00] streams is gonna confuse my system.
So I just need you to listen. You allege, or you're telling me that there are two employees. Who heard me ask the security guard if he had a firearm? Then they went on to say to you, a federal investigator falsely, that I then asked, what are you gonna do if someone comes up and and shoots the place? Two people have made false statements to you, Paul, and you said earlier this call that you are aware that service members and their family and military families are a federally protected class.
I think those two employees are trying to retaliate against me because. There's no law that I've broken. They want you, Paul, to enforce their feelings about screwing over veterans maybe on a daily basis. I'll tell you what happened. I was told to come in for X-rays. I was told appointments are [00:05:00] not allowed.
You have to walk in. I spoke with Brian. Uh, I didn't get his last name, but I may have recorded audio. I'm not sure. Brian apologized profusely. For not alerting me that their one x-ray tech had not shown up to work today and did not communicate that to providers or to veterans. All of that was done seated.
I was in a seated position and Brian was standing. Now, whoever is accusing me of making statements about shooting the place up is lying through their teeth, and since they are targeting me for trying to get healthcare, which is a right to, I'm entitled to healthcare as a hundred percent disabled veteran.
I'm going to find out who those two were, and I'm going to file a federal civil rights lawsuit against each of them under Title 18, section 1983. If you don't have some supporting evidence other than statements, the investigation seems to be closed. I am fully allowed to assert [00:06:00] my rights and protect myself when bad actors make false accusations to federal investigators, which I'll bet is a felony.
And so I'm going to go in there with witnesses next time to ask why the security guard lied to you, Paul Cosson. 'cause I did ask him if he had a firearm because I'm not exactly sure jurisdictionally, how it breaks down. He's not a VA employee, he's a private contractor and he is targeting a military family for discrimination.
That is a violation of my constitutional rights, and I will assert my rights because that is my right. Those are rights that I fought for and secured for everybody else, and I get to assert them myself. I did nothing unlawful to include any insinuation or even mention of shooting anything. I don't own firearms.
The security guard, excuse Paul. Paul, I already told you. I told you two audio streams are not going to. [00:07:00] I told you two audio streams are just getting confus it. You've gotta just kind of wait for me to finish my piece, I guess.
Paul Carlson: Okay. You're talk, you're doing a lot of talking about stuff that's not related to this.
I'm asking you why would you go up to Security Guard and ask him if he was armed, what would be the purpose? What would be the valid purpose for you to ask him that question if it wasn't in an attempt to potentially intimidate him?
Logan Martin Isaac: You thought that I was trying to intimidate somebody by asking the question.
Paul Carlson: I'm saying, why wouldn't you ask
Logan Martin Isaac: that question? What are you saying, Paul?
Paul Carlson: It's not a normal question that you, when you can obviously look and tell he is not armed. 'cause he's,
Logan Martin Isaac: have you ever been into the Salem Clinic?
Paul Carlson: I, I have been in there more times than you can count.
Logan Martin Isaac: So you know that he's sitting with his legs under a desk.
How would I see. Maybe I would ask a question because I don't have that information, but more importantly, what law did I break? Paul,
Paul Carlson: I'm not saying that you broke a law, that's
Logan Martin Isaac: you're a federal investigator. That's your job. What law did I break? Paul?
Paul Carlson: Listen to what I'm telling you. I am investigating. I'm not accusing, I'm investigating [00:08:00] the potential allegation.
That is not mean that you're guilty of doing something wrong. You are construing this as just me merely calling you. As me accusing you of a crime that is not what I'm, two
Logan Martin Isaac: people have accused me of a crime. Paul,
Paul Carlson: I'm recording. Let me be clear. This is not the purpose of this call.
Logan Martin Isaac: You're an investigator.
Paul Carlson: What's the purpose? Ask the question. That's correct. I'm here to investigate. That is the term that is my, that is the sole mission I have. Okay. If we're just gonna talk about, uh, your veteran's rights, all this other stuff, I'm not going to engage in that. If you're not, you've already stated that you did not, that what they said is not true.
I'm going to put that in my report and I'm going to end this call. Okay? There's no reason for us to continue having this call and be listening to you for an hour and a half, that kinda stuff that's not related to the
case.
Logan Martin Isaac: I'm sorry, man. Your job is so hard. I wish I had a job like yours.
Paul Carlson: I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna engage you any longer.
Okay? We're
going
Paul Carlson: to disconnect because we're not gonna have any more conversation. [00:09:00] Okay?
Logan Martin Isaac: You, IM glad it settled. I'm glad that nobody else will continue to accuse me falsely of making threats.
Paul Carlson: You
Logan Martin Isaac: have a good day, Logan. I'm glad this case is closed.
Paul Carlson: Goodbye.
